På mine lange vandringer gjennom nettet kom jeg over denne tråden: https://boards.4channel.org/adv/thread/24027527
Erfaringsmessig vet jeg at slike ting forsvinner med tiden, selv det som er arkivert. Derfor tillot meg å klippe ut et utdrag av de mest relevante svarene.
How utterly unrealistic is it for me to want to be an author? Anonymous 04/25/21(Sun)19:17:46
I just want to fucking write books for a living, but I need it to be my primary source of income
Do I have any chance in hell, in the 20's, of having a good income from being a professional writer or should I just join the slave caravan and go to college? ( If I have to get a " normal " path, what's a job or education that would give me the fee time to write and eventually escape it?"
>>24027527 (OP)
Do you want financial security or the possibility of success
>>24027527 (OP)
Yes it's possible. I have for some reason a large number of writer friends and there is possibility more than ever of making a living off of it these days thanks to self-publishing.
The catch is they work insanely hard and have and could handle a normal "hard" job, school etc. The ones who wanted an easy way to lazily make money doing something they love wipe out.
>>24027527 (OP)
Have you written a lot?
I would simply say keep writing. Too many people say stuff like "I want to be a writer, I want to be an artist".
Sure you do, but it's not like you become the artist first, then start creating, it is the other way around.
So, what have you produced lately and have you had people review it?
>>24027527 (OP)
Close to none. Most writers don't even make minimum wage and that's when counting the ones who managed to get an agent; which is already a tiny minority. Aside of that, going into any art (or sports)related field with money as a relevant factor is silly.
>>24027575
Most self-published writers make less than 100 bucks, and generally spend most of the time either shitting out novels every half a year or shilling for themselves with another platform.
>>24027726
How old are you and for how long are you writing? There is a steep learning curve but after finishing a novel, you'd get a decent feel for it and will likely have an easier time with future projects.
>>24027527 (OP)
I'm a published author and I make a good living writing. My advice is to write what you love and stick to that. Your passion will come through in your writing and people will love your stories.
When I started writing I did bullshit jobs like writing articles, sales copies, etc. It was okay because it was easy, but I had no passion for my work. Then I started writing short little how-to books and selling them. That did pretty well but I didn't care about any of the topics I was writing about so it still felt like work.
Throughout all the bullshit writing I did just to make a living I continued writing what I loved and grew a large following. I never even thought of trying to make a living with these stories because I thought of them as my side projects. You know, something I did just for fun (FYI I was writing erotic romance fiction). I was pumping out tons of stories including furry stories, fan fiction, and original fiction with my own characters. Basically porn with plot. I did right some shameless smut too, but I preferred writing about the developing relationships between the characters rather than just writing outright porn. I started a Patreon and started selling my books for $1-$3. I also did commissions, but I refused to do a commission that I didn't like.
I now make a comfortable living writing what I love. I keep the fact that I write erotic romance fiction secret from everyone IRL, including my wife. She thinks that I have a "low libido" but I just masturbate a lot to my own stuff. Frankly I love romance fiction so much that I'd be okay never having sex again. I really have to restrain myself when I'm writing because all I want to do is whip it out and relieve myself but I have to save something for the wifey LOL. I love her more than life itself, but to be honest I like the IDEA of sex a lot more than having sex.
>>24027794
As an author I prefer to dedicate a certain number of hours a day to writing instead of trying to write X number of words. Sometimes you can write like a madman and the ideas just keep flowing while other days writing each word is like pulling teeth. When I get into the zone I can sit down for 12+ hours and write 50,000+ words. One time I actually sat in one place for 39 hours and wrote like a madman. I didn't eat or sleep, only getting up every now and then to piss. I got almost 200,000 words written. I'll tell you though, it took me like 6 months to edit it. In the end I had lost my passion for it so that's why it took me so long to edit it. I only sold 4,000 copies of it too so when all was said and done I made about $12,000 over the next 6 years. In comparison I've written books that were less than 10,000 words that I barely put any effort into that have made 3x that.
>>24031730
>How do you monetize fiction writing? I need to understand beyond "self-publishing".
1. Write story
2. Get a Patreon
3. Publish story online for free making sure to point out your Patreon
4. People read your story and follow you
5. Do steps 1-4 a bunch of times
6. After you have a good following and hopefully a few Patreon subscribers, start selling your books through self publishing (SmashWords, Lulu, Amazon, etc.)
7. Promote the fact that you sell copies of your book along with the fact that you have a Patreon
8. Engage with your followers, show your appreciation, etc.
Optional: If you want you can just publish previews of your stories for free with a link to the full version at the end so that people who liked your story enough to read that far will be likely to purchase it.
It's much easier to make money selling non-fiction. If you want to sell fiction you've got to be GOOD. You also have to write all the fucking time to keep up your momentum. If you think you're just going to write one book and live off it for life, the chances of that are like one in a million. You have to keep writing.
>>24027527 (OP)
Imma be honest.
My friend works as a pro writer. All of her income comes from the books she sells on Amazon.
The issue is the books that sell enough to keep her income high enough are trashy erotica novels, especially featuring vampires etc.
Her "good" book get nearly no income, on the other hand.
So yes, it's possible, but it'll most likely be like this.
>>24032085
>The issue is the books that sell enough to keep her income high enough are trashy erotica novels, especially featuring vampires etc.
>Her "good" book get nearly no income, on the other hand.
The reason for this is people have art overload nowadays. It's the same thing with drawn art. When you can go to Google or Deviantart and find 10,000+ images of what you're looking for, why would you pay for a commission of it? Thankfully our society still has a rather Victorian attitude about sex so that market isn't completely saturated yet, but it will be eventually.
When it comes to clean entertainment (which includes "good" fiction books), most people turn to movies nowadays. The small sliver of the population that still reads doesn't read very often so the chances of them finding your book and buying it are slim. You've got way too much supply and too little demand.
Most people read an average of less than 1 fiction book per year. I'm an author and I read tons of stories, but I buy very few of them. Most of the fiction I read is amateur fiction that's available for free online. In fact, I don't think I read even one physical or non self-published book in all of 2020. Of course, I have rather niche interests so you won't find the stories I like to read in Barnes and Noble.
***SLUTT***
Så det vi kan ta fra dette, er at etterspørselen er liten og forfatterne er mange. Det har aldri vært lettere å publisere enn nå, samtidig som færre leser bøker. De fleste mennesker leser mindre enn en bok i året, og det levende bilde har overtatt som den hovedsaklige kulturtraktør.
Derfor tjener de fleste forfattere svært, svært lite.
Det hjelper å rendyrke seg, og skrive nisjer og porno. Men selv her vil oversatureringen tilslutt slå inn.
En av mine styrker er at jeg er temmelig unik på flere felter. Lenge forsøkte jeg å samle all min innsats på samme sted, med min egen karisma som fellesnevner. Enten kommer seere/lesere på grunn av din person, eller de kommer for materialet ditt. Jeg bør nok fokusere på det siste, og rendyrke det unike.
Bare et fjols er ute av stand til å tenke dynamisk i disse dager. Den gamle tiden er forbi for lenge, lenge siden.
Erfaringsmessig vet jeg at slike ting forsvinner med tiden, selv det som er arkivert. Derfor tillot meg å klippe ut et utdrag av de mest relevante svarene.
How utterly unrealistic is it for me to want to be an author? Anonymous 04/25/21(Sun)19:17:46
I just want to fucking write books for a living, but I need it to be my primary source of income
Do I have any chance in hell, in the 20's, of having a good income from being a professional writer or should I just join the slave caravan and go to college? ( If I have to get a " normal " path, what's a job or education that would give me the fee time to write and eventually escape it?"
>>24027527 (OP)
Do you want financial security or the possibility of success
>>24027527 (OP)
Yes it's possible. I have for some reason a large number of writer friends and there is possibility more than ever of making a living off of it these days thanks to self-publishing.
The catch is they work insanely hard and have and could handle a normal "hard" job, school etc. The ones who wanted an easy way to lazily make money doing something they love wipe out.
>>24027527 (OP)
Have you written a lot?
I would simply say keep writing. Too many people say stuff like "I want to be a writer, I want to be an artist".
Sure you do, but it's not like you become the artist first, then start creating, it is the other way around.
So, what have you produced lately and have you had people review it?
>>24027527 (OP)
Close to none. Most writers don't even make minimum wage and that's when counting the ones who managed to get an agent; which is already a tiny minority. Aside of that, going into any art (or sports)related field with money as a relevant factor is silly.
>>24027575
Most self-published writers make less than 100 bucks, and generally spend most of the time either shitting out novels every half a year or shilling for themselves with another platform.
>>24027726
How old are you and for how long are you writing? There is a steep learning curve but after finishing a novel, you'd get a decent feel for it and will likely have an easier time with future projects.
>>24027527 (OP)
I'm a published author and I make a good living writing. My advice is to write what you love and stick to that. Your passion will come through in your writing and people will love your stories.
When I started writing I did bullshit jobs like writing articles, sales copies, etc. It was okay because it was easy, but I had no passion for my work. Then I started writing short little how-to books and selling them. That did pretty well but I didn't care about any of the topics I was writing about so it still felt like work.
Throughout all the bullshit writing I did just to make a living I continued writing what I loved and grew a large following. I never even thought of trying to make a living with these stories because I thought of them as my side projects. You know, something I did just for fun (FYI I was writing erotic romance fiction). I was pumping out tons of stories including furry stories, fan fiction, and original fiction with my own characters. Basically porn with plot. I did right some shameless smut too, but I preferred writing about the developing relationships between the characters rather than just writing outright porn. I started a Patreon and started selling my books for $1-$3. I also did commissions, but I refused to do a commission that I didn't like.
I now make a comfortable living writing what I love. I keep the fact that I write erotic romance fiction secret from everyone IRL, including my wife. She thinks that I have a "low libido" but I just masturbate a lot to my own stuff. Frankly I love romance fiction so much that I'd be okay never having sex again. I really have to restrain myself when I'm writing because all I want to do is whip it out and relieve myself but I have to save something for the wifey LOL. I love her more than life itself, but to be honest I like the IDEA of sex a lot more than having sex.
>>24027794
As an author I prefer to dedicate a certain number of hours a day to writing instead of trying to write X number of words. Sometimes you can write like a madman and the ideas just keep flowing while other days writing each word is like pulling teeth. When I get into the zone I can sit down for 12+ hours and write 50,000+ words. One time I actually sat in one place for 39 hours and wrote like a madman. I didn't eat or sleep, only getting up every now and then to piss. I got almost 200,000 words written. I'll tell you though, it took me like 6 months to edit it. In the end I had lost my passion for it so that's why it took me so long to edit it. I only sold 4,000 copies of it too so when all was said and done I made about $12,000 over the next 6 years. In comparison I've written books that were less than 10,000 words that I barely put any effort into that have made 3x that.
>>24031730
>How do you monetize fiction writing? I need to understand beyond "self-publishing".
1. Write story
2. Get a Patreon
3. Publish story online for free making sure to point out your Patreon
4. People read your story and follow you
5. Do steps 1-4 a bunch of times
6. After you have a good following and hopefully a few Patreon subscribers, start selling your books through self publishing (SmashWords, Lulu, Amazon, etc.)
7. Promote the fact that you sell copies of your book along with the fact that you have a Patreon
8. Engage with your followers, show your appreciation, etc.
Optional: If you want you can just publish previews of your stories for free with a link to the full version at the end so that people who liked your story enough to read that far will be likely to purchase it.
It's much easier to make money selling non-fiction. If you want to sell fiction you've got to be GOOD. You also have to write all the fucking time to keep up your momentum. If you think you're just going to write one book and live off it for life, the chances of that are like one in a million. You have to keep writing.
>>24027527 (OP)
Imma be honest.
My friend works as a pro writer. All of her income comes from the books she sells on Amazon.
The issue is the books that sell enough to keep her income high enough are trashy erotica novels, especially featuring vampires etc.
Her "good" book get nearly no income, on the other hand.
So yes, it's possible, but it'll most likely be like this.
>>24032085
>The issue is the books that sell enough to keep her income high enough are trashy erotica novels, especially featuring vampires etc.
>Her "good" book get nearly no income, on the other hand.
The reason for this is people have art overload nowadays. It's the same thing with drawn art. When you can go to Google or Deviantart and find 10,000+ images of what you're looking for, why would you pay for a commission of it? Thankfully our society still has a rather Victorian attitude about sex so that market isn't completely saturated yet, but it will be eventually.
When it comes to clean entertainment (which includes "good" fiction books), most people turn to movies nowadays. The small sliver of the population that still reads doesn't read very often so the chances of them finding your book and buying it are slim. You've got way too much supply and too little demand.
Most people read an average of less than 1 fiction book per year. I'm an author and I read tons of stories, but I buy very few of them. Most of the fiction I read is amateur fiction that's available for free online. In fact, I don't think I read even one physical or non self-published book in all of 2020. Of course, I have rather niche interests so you won't find the stories I like to read in Barnes and Noble.
***SLUTT***
Så det vi kan ta fra dette, er at etterspørselen er liten og forfatterne er mange. Det har aldri vært lettere å publisere enn nå, samtidig som færre leser bøker. De fleste mennesker leser mindre enn en bok i året, og det levende bilde har overtatt som den hovedsaklige kulturtraktør.
Derfor tjener de fleste forfattere svært, svært lite.
Det hjelper å rendyrke seg, og skrive nisjer og porno. Men selv her vil oversatureringen tilslutt slå inn.
En av mine styrker er at jeg er temmelig unik på flere felter. Lenge forsøkte jeg å samle all min innsats på samme sted, med min egen karisma som fellesnevner. Enten kommer seere/lesere på grunn av din person, eller de kommer for materialet ditt. Jeg bør nok fokusere på det siste, og rendyrke det unike.
Bare et fjols er ute av stand til å tenke dynamisk i disse dager. Den gamle tiden er forbi for lenge, lenge siden.
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